[Dream] Drums - sampled? - Sound Forge

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It's funny this thread pops up just a few days after I made my own kicks 
in Wavelab.  I wish I did this years ago when I first read the IM Kick 
drum tutorial that everyone goes one about!  Thanks Mark for those 
links.  So far, kicks are all I know how to  synthesize - and just the 
past few days I've been wanting to know how to do my own snares and hi-hats.

The kicks that I made were all quit similar (about 60 of them) as they 
were made from one session of using the signal generator tool and I only 
wanted to make one particular kind of kick tone.  They're just pure 
sines, rapidly falling in pitch from between 9Khz and 14Khz down to 
around 120Hz to 180Hz over about 10 or 20 ms, then slower down to around 
70Hz in around 80ms, then down to 20 or 30Hz in 300-400ms with a 
fadeout.  I'm fairly happy with the result, but I'd like to make a 
different upper-frequency 'tap' to the kick as it sounds a bit too much 
like a ZAP.  I never considered mixing noise or any other waveform into 
the start of the kick so I will give that a try next time.  Does anyone 
know if there's a maximum frequency a kick should sound at?

The envelope features of the Wavelab generator are limited so I'm 
thinking a multi-stage envelope would be better to create more 
variation, one where you can zoom in to work in finer detail.  That got 
me thinking more about which VST Instrument would best to do this, 'cos 
it'll be cool to dive right into the shape of the kick to make 
adjustments at any time - and to be able to control it in numerous ways 
for experimental effects.  Wouldn't Crystal or Absynth do a good job of 
it?  Crystal's the free one...which might be a good result for you, Josh. 

I haven't used them properly for anything (I don't like the look or feel 
of either of them when I first tried them), so can anyone pipe up to say 
if they've used these VST's for synthesizing drums and if so how do it go?

Olly